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So you don't want a dvd of the event and you basically want to screw kids out of food... wow some nice people
No I don't want a DVD I'm a part of mischief alliance anyway.

WHAT FOOD? Thanksgiving past my friend. I'd rather Donate the money myself, and that is a promise! I'm a man of my word. I don't see why a refund is going to be a problem seeing that I would donate it to the charity of my choice.
 

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Guys, from this point on please email me with any complaints. L4P is supposed to be drama free so let's try to keep it that way. You should all have my email addy. Also please stop contacting RAW it's not fair for him to be dragged into something he had nothing to do with.
 

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Ok, here are the figures I received:

People who registered= 26 @ $100 per person=$2600
Sponsorship Fees= $1850
Gross Income= $4450

Their cost was:
Shirts= $1152
Food= $950
DVD's= $600
Net profit was $1748

I was informed that $1800 and some change was donated to various food charities.

My honest opinion is that Greg had the best intentions but under estimated the costs of putting such event together. There was t-shirts, there was foods (not enough), there will be a DVD sent out and everyone enjoyed the club. The money really was NOT a motivating factor as he never intended to make money and just did this for everyone to enjoy this. (On many rallys paid participants wont get in to clubs or by the time they get to the food its all gone - common practice and not unusual) Now I ask everyone one of you to put yourself in his position, and give him a break. For those of you who still believe they want to ask for a partial refund as def its not fair to ask for your total money back you can email or pm Greg directly and go from there. Please do keep in mind that based on the figures provided the money was spent so what ever Greg is offering is out of his own pocket.
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Is there solid proof that the money was donated? Are there receipts we can get? It is way after Thanksgiving and nothing, no Turkeys were donated.

Greg is not going to make this right. He is refusing to do any refunds. Getting $60 on $300 is downright insulting. I have tried through multiples PMs to settle this and it is going nowhere. Everyone said this was going to get taken care of. How may I ask at this point?

All of your friends, who probably didn't pay had a great time. That is not a barometer as to whether the event was a success or you delivered on what you promised. Everyone speaks of what you have done in the past, but one is only good as your word and you did not stand by your word.

Good Luck in your future at L4P and getting sponsors on your future events.
 

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Is there solid proof that the money was donated? Are there receipts we can get? It is way after Thanksgiving and nothing, no Turkeys were donated.

Greg is not going to make this right. He is refusing to do any refunds. Getting $60 on $300 is downright insulting. I have tried through multiples PMs to settle this and it is going nowhere. Everyone said this was going to get taken care of. How may I ask at this point?

All of your friends, who probably didn't pay had a great time. That is not a barometer as to whether the event was a success or you delivered on what you promised. Everyone speaks of what you have done in the past, but one is only good as your word and you did not stand by your word.

Good Luck in your future at L4P and getting sponsors on your future events.
Ben you have been unreasonable from the get go. So I'm guilty until proven innocent I guess and as far as my friends who didn't pay that is not true. Since you are a mischief member why don't you ask Dustin how his time was. Seems like there were 3 people who didn't have a good time and they're you and your friends. The money has been accounted for and if you think I spend all of this time planning events to make $500 you're crazy! I've had charity events for $100 which include a BBQ and that's it. It's for charity why don't you stop being so selfish and just be happy with the fact that you donated to the less fortunate people out there this Thanksgiving. You've completely forgotten what this event was about.
 

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Is there solid proof that the money was donated? Are there receipts we can get? It is way after Thanksgiving and nothing, no Turkeys were donated.

Greg is not going to make this right. He is refusing to do any refunds. Getting $60 on $300 is downright insulting. I have tried through multiples PMs to settle this and it is going nowhere. Everyone said this was going to get taken care of. How may I ask at this point?

All of your friends, who probably didn't pay had a great time. That is not a barometer as to whether the event was a success or you delivered on what you promised. Everyone speaks of what you have done in the past, but one is only good as your word and you did not stand by your word.

Good Luck in your future at L4P and getting sponsors on your future events.
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I really wish I wasn't dragged into this.

Ben, Sam, and Don have been my main drivers in all the runs we did this year when I'm shooting for Mischief. Every weekend they go on every run they can. So they have experience all types of runs up and down the East Coast. I believe that this was their first run that required an entry fee so they were expecting a lot more than they received on the Victory Run. I'm not going to comment personally on this run out of respect of both parties. My driver Bogdan and I received free entry in exchange for my filming services. I shot the Victory run in HD and turned in all my footage to Steve Nawrocki. He's putting the DVD together of the run so it won't be a "Mischief" DVD because I'm not editing it.

I really wish this was all resolved behind the scenes.
 

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Ben you have been unreasonable from the get go. So I'm guilty until proven innocent I guess and as far as my friends who didn't pay that is not true. Since you are a mischief member why don't you ask Dustin how his time was. Seems like there were 3 people who didn't have a good time and they're you and your friends. The money has been accounted for and if you think I spend all of this time planning events to make $500 you're crazy! I've had charity events for $100 which include a BBQ and that's it. It's for charity why don't you stop being so selfish and just be happy with the fact that you donated to the less fortunate people out there this Thanksgiving. You've completely forgotten what this event was about.
I don't understand why I just can't get a response in my PM's
Seems childish doing everything here now that your well.

I really wish we can all come to a resolution and put the past behind us and look to future runs. I would love to be a part of what goes on. I don't think the three I brought will join me again but mistakes happen.
 

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this is downright absurd! i feel like i am a fair person and the way i see this is $1748 was donated from the gross revenue. the revenue was a total of $4450 so the amount donated was 39% lets round it to 40% for argument sake. so the donation i feel that on that your beat! so from the original $100 you are now down to $60. if you received a t-shirt those are normally $20 so you are down to $40 of which you received $20 back already. i am sure if you want stickers any of the vendors would be glad to send them to you for you to plaster on your car as free advertising. so what are we talking about some food. at the end of the day your out $20 is it that big of a deal?


i have an idea lets take a pool collection for these guys i'll throw in $20 myself but once we get the $300 these guys get a perma-ban cause this shit isn't what this site or our group is about. we don't need this petty crap in our lives!

let me know and i'll gladly put in $20 of my own money to get rid of these guys. AND I DID'NT EVEN ATTEND!
 

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this is downright absurd! i feel like i am a fair person and the way i see this is $1748 was donated from the gross revenue. the revenue was a total of $4450 so the amount donated was 39% lets round it to 40% for argument sake. so the donation i feel that on that your beat! so from the original $100 you are now down to $60. if you received a t-shirt those are normally $20 so you are down to $40 of which you received $20 back already. i am sure if you want stickers any of the vendors would be glad to send them to you for you to plaster on your car as free advertising. so what are we talking about some food. at the end of the day your out $20 is it that big of a deal?


i have an idea lets take a pool collection for these guys i'll throw in $20 myself but once we get the $300 these guys get a perma-ban cause this shit isn't what this site or our group is about. we don't need this petty crap in our lives!

let me know and i'll gladly put in $20 of my own money to get rid of these guys. AND I DID'NT EVEN ATTEND!
+1 Anything to make this stop
 

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this is downright absurd! i feel like i am a fair person and the way i see this is $1748 was donated from the gross revenue. the revenue was a total of $4450 so the amount donated was 39% lets round it to 40% for argument sake. so the donation i feel that on that your beat! so from the original $100 you are now down to $60. if you received a t-shirt those are normally $20 so you are down to $40 of which you received $20 back already. i am sure if you want stickers any of the vendors would be glad to send them to you for you to plaster on your car as free advertising. so what are we talking about some food. at the end of the day your out $20 is it that big of a deal?


i have an idea lets take a pool collection for these guys i'll throw in $20 myself but once we get the $300 these guys get a perma-ban cause this shit isn't what this site or our group is about. we don't need this petty crap in our lives!

let me know and i'll gladly put in $20 of my own money to get rid of these guys. AND I DID'NT EVEN ATTEND!

here here - let's round up what they feel they are owed - perma ban - and then donate that money to another charity.

put me down for $20

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this is downright absurd! i feel like i am a fair person and the way i see this is $1748 was donated from the gross revenue. the revenue was a total of $4450 so the amount donated was 39% lets round it to 40% for argument sake. so the donation i feel that on that your beat! so from the original $100 you are now down to $60. if you received a t-shirt those are normally $20 so you are down to $40 of which you received $20 back already. i am sure if you want stickers any of the vendors would be glad to send them to you for you to plaster on your car as free advertising. so what are we talking about some food. at the end of the day your out $20 is it that big of a deal?


i have an idea lets take a pool collection for these guys i'll throw in $20 myself but once we get the $300 these guys get a perma-ban cause this shit isn't what this site or our group is about. we don't need this petty crap in our lives!

let me know and i'll gladly put in $20 of my own money to get rid of these guys. AND I DID'NT EVEN ATTEND!

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I'll throw in $20 as well
 

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We are in, we will donate $100 to a charity of their choice. Greg is a stand up guy. We do this for the love of cars and the friendships it brings. He learned his mistakes and his next event will be even better. Come on guys I know we are all strangers here but this community and being a part of it should mean something. Lets act like fucking men and put this shit behind us.
 

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If the unhappy participants agree. I will have an account on paypal set up tomorrow. We can all donate and I will copy and post the receipt, I know the perfect charity too. There is a hospital in LA that takes care of sick children that cant afford to pay for their medical bills. Everyones name will be recorded on the donation.
 

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NO i dont agree to that charity, JUST KIDDING. Guys lets put all this behind us, its money, it comes and goes, these figures dont make us poor, and they dont make us rich, I SAY RAW DELETE THIS THREAD, and lets do a run on sunday if the weather is good, and forget this crap already. I will supply donuts and coffee.
 

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Thanks Drew. I've refrained from posting about this since I didn't attend, but to attack Greg this way is wrong. His integrity is beyond reproach. All he does his donate a TON of his time for the sole purpose of getting forum members together to have a good time. So one event doesn't go off perfectly, so what, grow up.

Please count me in to donate.
 

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NO i dont agree to that charity, JUST KIDDING. Guys lets put all this behind us, its money, it comes and goes, these figures dont make us poor, and they dont make us rich, I SAY RAW DELETE THIS THREAD, and lets do a run on sunday if the weather is good, and forget this crap already. I will supply donuts and coffee.
Im down for a run on sunday if i can get the Jag out of the shop by then. A run dedicated to Greg.
 

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well i will be on a plane this sunday so that is a no go for me.
 
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