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I am completely green when it comes to aviation and need help gathering some info on what suits me best. Of course, I have been looking at planes all over the net, but I really dont know what would fit my needs. If anyone could offer some help and advice that would be greatly appreciated.

My main goals are to travel to ski destinations and vacation areas. i would like to carry myself, my fiance, my pair of huskies, and possibly a another pair of passengers. I would like a high performance plane and speed would be important. I see a lot of cessnas and the like that cruise at 150 mph. I am not sure if that is fast enough, or is it? I saw the dual prop turbo pipers and those look promising, but again I am not sure.

Please help!
 

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Finding the right fit?

Having been around aviation all my life and involved in the families aircraft sales and brokering business for it's 20 plus year existance I was involved in many conversations about what airplane fits the requirements of the owner.

Send me a PM and I'll try and find a way to spend an hour or so getting a rough idea of what you want,what you need and what your budget is. I can then point you in the right direction to an expert in that type of plane.

My quess is that there aren't any aviation sales professionals in this group. If I'm wrong please correct me.
 

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i really dont know how much i would be willing to spend on a plane as i dont know what price range will offer what i need. however, i think i need to rent some planes that look like they would be a good fit and try them out. i am completely a newb and just trying to see where i fit.

possibly point me in the direction of what brands or models that are popular would work. a VC friend of mine has pointed me towards the trinidad which is a fun sporty plane, but only seats four. that maybe a good choice for a first aircraft even though it seats only four. they can be had used for under 150k which seems to be extremely reasonable. is there one like this plane that can cruise a bit faster? i have no idea what the range is but to get from seattle to vail in one or two tanks would be ideal. tia
 

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Lawin if you don't mind me asking, are you rated for Twin Engine?

Also a few other questions. What is your budget? Looking to buy/finance/lease? How often will you be flying? W/o knowing the answers to those gen questions it's pretty tough to narrow your search down to a few planes.

Keep Flying!
 

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If you're willing to spend the money, the King Air is probably the best, most universal twin (turbo prop) in the air, however they come at a premium, and are perhaps above the price point in which you desire. Have spent a lot of time in them. (passenger)

Cessna 400's (402, 414, and 421's) are nice planes as well. Have spent a fair amount of time in them. Good all around plane, fair level of accommodations and comfort / space. Very safe. Good value for the money, if you find one that's been well kept.

You can find King Air's starting at 1.5M and going up to 3M. You can find older (early 80's vintage) in the high 500's.

Cessna twins in the 400 class can range anywhere from 150K up to 400K, So it's clear to say they are remarkably different classes of planes.
Once you fly in a Cessna 400, and then your next trip in a King Air, you'll never go back to the Cessna unless you had to for a very specific reason.

Your needs / desires should easily define where to start looking. Spend some time looking at images and configurations with some general browsing at controller.com and see what the marketplace has to offer.

Fairchild may be another option to look at. Another nice turbo prop machine. Many to be had well under 1M.
Cessna Conquest is another nice machine, however once you get into that price point, you have a fair case to spend a similar amount of money on a King Air.

Nothing will ever justify the cost of the plane, however the quality of life is immeasurable.
Better understanding if this is a personal only, personal, business, and otherwise used machine, type of use, frequency, hired crew, self pilot, etc. will greatly help to hone in your search for a machine that works well for you, and your needs.
 

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NetJets doesn't cater to the single / twin prop market. (AFAIK/YMMV) He'd be better off setting up charter through a local owner / operator at a nearby airfield.
 

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NetJets doesn't cater to the single / twin prop market. (AFAIK/YMMV) He'd be better off setting up charter through a local owner / operator at a nearby airfield.
Yeah, I know they only do jets. But I'm saying something similar to that--especially if he doesn't have a twin rating or instrument rating
 

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Re: singleand prop plane help

I will indicate my bias here and tell you that I/we have owned planes from Beechcraft, Mooney, Piper, Cessna, Grumman, and Aviat. The plane that is still in the family after 35 years of contunual ownership is a Beechcraft Bonanza. It is part of the family. It has taken us places that there is no other way to get there and see.

That said, there are models in each manufacturers model line that compete with eachother and are designed to accomplish certain trip or mission goals. The most important question I have is what FAA licences and ratings do you now hold and are willing and able to acquire to meet your travel wishes?

If you are in New Jersey and intend on flying cross-country while making one or two fuel stops then a plane with a range of 1000nm is a minimum IMHO. The ability of this plane to carry passengers and baggage on top of the fuel and still have that range is a topic that narrows the choices.

Send me a PM and I'd be happy discuss in detail about the plan you have.
 

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I have to agree with lima lima on this one.. The bonanza is a great aircraft! (N406TA)
 

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+3. The A36 is one of my favorite airplanes (as is the baron 58).

It doesn't seem like the OP knows much about airplanes, and probably doesn't even have a PPL and you guys are telling him about King Airs and Fairchilds?? These are cool options only if he's going to have a pilot, otherwise forget it. Insurance alone wouldn't touch anyone on a king air without at least a thousand hours. I have heard of pilots with 500 hrs getting insured on PC12s with 500 hours under their belts.. but you can imagine what they pay a year.

Also a KA is a complex airplane, you need to fly lots to justify it and to stay on top of the airplane; the moment you get behind it it will kill you.
 

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The way I read the OP was that he was looking for a plane / pilot combo and that he / wife and such were passengers. However that was an assumption on my part.

And, yes, Bonanza (aka, Dr. Killer / circa V-Tail) is also a great machine. Small, but very trustworthy. My Brother has a 35.
 

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i just signed up for pilot school. i need something simple at first and then move my way up. like i said before, it seems like a used trinidad is a good first plane. even though it only seats 4 it seems like it would be a good compromise for now. i need something that is the equivelant of a mitsubishi evo in the airplane world. good performance and value and is easy to resell. I would like to get something nicer down the line, but to break into the hobby i should get something a bit more simple.
 

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i just signed up for pilot school. i need something simple at first and then move my way up. like i said before, it seems like a used trinidad is a good first plane. even though it only seats 4 it seems like it would be a good compromise for now. i need something that is the equivelant of a mitsubishi evo in the airplane world. good performance and value and is easy to resell. I would like to get something nicer down the line, but to break into the hobby i should get something a bit more simple.
Why not stick with renting from your local field to start?
 

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Why not stick with renting from your local field to start?
that is the plan, but i want to know about what types of planes i should pay attention to when renting to expose my self to those planes i may ultimately buy. obviously i am lost, so any advice is appreciated. a common trip would be from seattle to vail. any thoughts?
 

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If you're planning on flying it yourself, disregard my prior posts.
Single / Self Flyer, I'd go Cessna 177 Cardinal RG. Can be had in the 50 to 75 price point depending on condition and TSMO.
A 182RG would also be a nice choice. However pricing can go slightly higher on them, but well worth the money and a lot of bang for the buck.
 

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Welcome to the pilot ranks

It is refreshing to know of a student pilot these days. Welcome! you mentioned that you have signed up for flying lessons, can I then assume that you are going to do the ground school and flight training with the same flight school?

Having leased one of my planes to various flight schools I have seen a lot of students, instructors and planes pass through each school. At first do not be in a hurry to think about what plane is best for you to fly later; simply focus on mastering the basics of flying. INHO, the more basic and less powerful the airplane the better pilot you will be. Much like driving and auto racing.

As for the Trinidad; well I offer this as insight; it is a metric plane and the majority of mechanics have US standard tools.

Please keep use all updated about your progress. I'll help out as much as I can.
 

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thanks very much everyone. i did some poking around on the cessna 177 and it seems like a very good plane. could i spend a bit more money and get something with a higher cruise speed with similar or longer range?

I am taking flight lessons and ground school with the same school.

the metric idea is something to definitely consider. that is a fantastic tip and exactly the kind of knowledge i am looking for.

the plan is to do flight lessons and ground school then as soon as that is accomplished to go an earn my instrument rating.

please excuse the newbiness :)
 
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