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Anyone on the L4P fly privately regularly?
 

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Not regulary but we have a buddy who owns a King Air Super200. He lets us use it for short commutes. why?
 

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I fly almost weekly, either on my plane or charter through a variety of different services.

I just flew back from Vegas via Jet Suite today. Great company to do business with (so far) and easily the most cost effective Las Vegas connections from anywhere on the western side of the USA.



 

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brad, is there any room in the phenoms? they seem so.. tiny. are you travelling alone? it would seem crowded with the 4 cabin seats taken.
 

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brad, is there any room in the phenoms? they seem so.. tiny. are you travelling alone? it would seem crowded with the 4 cabin seats taken.
It's not as bad as you would think. The plane is made for short flights anyways so four adults is no big deal.

The seats hardly recline at all but other than that it is pretty capable of four + pilots.
 

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I continue to hear good things about Jet Suite!
 

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My grandfather and aunt use Pentastar Aviation when they go from Michigan to Florida for the season. I don't use it regularly but every once in a while.

They will highly recommend Pentastar, they've had a great experience with them!
 

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What does it cost to fly private? Obviously that's a pretty generic question b/c I know the bigger the plane and the longer the trip cost more but ballpark me if you can
 

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I've seen LuckyJets from Vegas to various cities in the vicinity at $999 each way on a little older plane. Imagine that price and up for anything newer or better, which is $3500 per hour on JetSuite.

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What does it cost to fly private? Obviously that's a pretty generic question b/c I know the bigger the plane and the longer the trip cost more but ballpark me if you can
Greatly depends on where from/to and why type of plane. I think the lowest you can find is SoCal to Vegas for $999 only on certain days and then can go well over $25,000+ depending on destination.
 

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What does it cost to fly private? Obviously that's a pretty generic question b/c I know the bigger the plane and the longer the trip cost more but ballpark me if you can
Anywhere from $2,000/hr in a Citation V (or equivalent) to $10,000+ per hour on a Gulfstream.

Those are charter/lease rates. Actual "cost" if you were to own the plane is significantly less than that per hour, but then you have a couple pilots, hangar, insurance, etc. to deal with.

For example, our Citation Bravo is actually closer to $1,200 per hour in Direct Operating Costs (fuel, engine programs, etc.). I've read that owning vs chartering starts to make sense around the 200/hr per year mark, although I've never done the math.
 

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Anywhere from $2,000/hr in a Citation V (or equivalent) to $10,000+ per hour on a Gulfstream.

Those are charter/lease rates. Actual "cost" if you were to own the plane is significantly less than that per hour, but then you have a couple pilots, hangar, insurance, etc. to deal with.

For example, our Citation Bravo is actually closer to $1,200 per hour in Direct Operating Costs (fuel, engine programs, etc.). I've read that owning vs chartering starts to make sense around the 200/hr per year mark, although I've never done the math.
That number will definitely vary on the specific plane you fly. Maintenance costs are extremely large in owning an aircraft as well. A lot of companies will give better rates if you purchase more hours. For instance, you can buy a small block of hours and pay a bit more per hour, where as, if you purchased a larger block of hours, you would save yourself a good deal of money.
 

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For example, our Citation Bravo is actually closer to $1,200 per hour in Direct Operating Costs (fuel, engine programs, etc.). I've read that owning vs chartering starts to make sense around the 200/hr per year mark, although I've never done the math.
Agreed. That's typically the 'rule of thumb' but it can vary from machine to machine. Charter operators will give you numbers that support chartering 100% of time, and aircraft brokers will give you the same numbers to support buying a machine yourself.

We fly private "semi regularly", however there are times where it just doesn't make economical sense, which we'll then go commercial. My Father flies private most always. You'd sooner meet God himself than find him standing in line waiting for a gate rape from the TSA. He'll go commercial over the pond.

There is nothing in the world that truly justifies the cost. However the quality of life is incomparable. It's truly an earned privilege.
 

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You'd sooner meet God himself than find him standing in line waiting for a gate rape from the TSA. He'll go commercial over the pond.

There is nothing in the world that truly justifies the cost. However the quality of life is incomparable. It's truly an earned privilege.
my grandfather is the exact same way.
 

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Agreed. That's typically the 'rule of thumb' but it can vary from machine to machine. Charter operators will give you numbers that support chartering 100% of time, and aircraft brokers will give you the same numbers to support buying a machine yourself.

We fly private "semi regularly", however there are times where it just doesn't make economical sense, which we'll then go commercial. My Father flies private most always. You'd sooner meet God himself than find him standing in line waiting for a gate rape from the TSA. He'll go commercial over the pond.

There is nothing in the world that truly justifies the cost. However the quality of life is incomparable. It's truly an earned privilege.
I'm that exact same way. I have a couple million frequent flier miles with United that I try to use whenever I fly internationally.

First class to China is like flying in a small bed with 200 channels, catering, and personal concierge service. I'd probably never spend the coin required to charter a G to China because of how pleasant those first class cabins are. At a certain point, there is a diminishing return on private flying.
 

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I'm that exact same way. I have a couple million frequent flier miles with United that I try to use whenever I fly internationally.

First class to China is like flying in a small bed with 200 channels, catering, and personal concierge service. I'd probably never spend the coin required to charter a G to China because of how pleasant those first class cabins are. At a certain point, there is a diminishing return on private flying.
sounds similar to the Airbus 380 I flew with Emirates.
 
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