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01-03-2010, 08:34 AM #11
Across the street from him, Ralph Lauren has F1s #055 & #074 both silver with high mirrors, and LM3, but his cars aren't always at home there in NY.
Herb Chambers has #044, another silver F1, in the New England area - showed it off at a recent opening of one of his dealerships at a "Cars & Coffee" style event he hosted. Read the article first, then watch the video here:
Roaring through Mass. in the McLaren F1 - Boston Overdrive - Boston.com
Dan Watkins has #068 in Massachusetts - you guessed it, silver F1. He took the car along on a cross-country trip to Pebble Beach this past summer with some friends along with other cars from his collection. The trip was chronicled in an article in Automobile Magazine titled "Supercars Across America" which can be read here. Quite a story!
Last but not least, I think chassis #038, originally a silver F1, but repainted by the factory for it's second owner a brilliant Candy Orange Metallic, is in Connecticut. I have heard some speculation on the newest owner's name as it has changed hands several times, but nothing positive.
Pretty sure that covers all the F1s in the New England area, but I would be happy to hear details of any others, or corrections if you know of any that have moved on or maybe I have simply forgotten about. <gasp> It happens of course - I'm not perfect.
Last edited by Peloton25; 01-05-2010 at 04:37 AM.
01-03-2010, 08:38 AM #12
01-03-2010, 09:06 AM #13
I know the car well. A 1997 McLaren F1 GTR longtail would be it's proper name. In total, McLaren built 28 F1 GTRs, but only the final 10 had that longtail bodywork. In 1995 they built 9, sort of loosely converted from the road car into an adequate racer. In 1996 they built another 9, this time with a little more focus on serious changes to improve their competitiveness.
This car in your photo is GTR #19R. This was the very first built of the 10 longtail F1 GTRs McLaren made for the 1997 FIA GT series and of course another attempt that year at a win in the Le Mans 24Hr race. No overall victory in 1997 at LeMans was achieved, but they ended up 1st in the GT1 class at least.
This car was sort of the prototype of the longtail racers, and initially did not have a very active racing career. Borrowing one of the images above, when it was initially unveiled it wore this as it's Presentation livery - the flourescent squiggles weren't exactly a hit and didn't last too long.
Early in 1997 it continued in its development role, but was eventually used in one race that year wearing essentially the livery you photographed it in, plus some sponsor stickers.
Suzuka 1000km (for Team Lark McLaren) 9th place - Drivers: (Sekiya/Nakaya/Tsuchiya)
Incidentally, "Sekiya" on that list is Masanori Sekiya, the Japanese driver who two years earlier had joined JJ Lehto and Yannick Dalmas in a 1995 McLaren F1 GTR during McLaren's first attempt at the LeMans 24Hr race, and the three drivers survived a rainy and trecherous course through the night to stand on the podium the following day as the overall winners! A total of 7 F1 GTRs had entered - two failed to finish the race, but the other five finished in 1st, 3rd, 4th, 5th and 13th places overall. An amazing feat for a manufacturer on their very first try.
Back to GTR 19R, it was dormant through 1998, but then in 1999 it reappeared on track again in Japan at the Suzuka 1000kms race again in the hands of a new team and new drivers and finished 2nd! It also competed in the 1999 All Japan GT Championship but struggled to get great results. The livery it initially wore had "Nicos" sponsorship, and at this point the car had been repainted bright yellow with some banner stripes in blue/red along the car. Pretty sure that sponsorship lasted just the one season of 1999, then in 2000 they kept the livery mostly the same but picked up "SOK" as their title sponsor.
At the end of the 2002 AJGT season the car was removed from professional competitive racing and would eventually end up in the hands of Symbolic Motors in LaJolla, CA. They had the car resprayed at that point back to that Pink/Black "LARK" livery the car had first competed with and after showing it in Monterey that Summer, found a customer for the car in Texas named Kevin Crowder.
He used the car at private track events around the USA, with it being prepared sometimes by Hudson Historics out of NY. This set of photos by David Haueter, in addition to your own set, are really some of the best there are out there of 19R.
Crowder sold the car back through Symbolic in 2008, and was the reason it was back on the lawn at the The Quail that year when you happened upon it. Symbolic apparently were able to sell the car to someone from the UK now, who actually chose to keep it here from that point to use on some tracks in the USA, before it was finally air-freighted to the UK in June 2009.
I haven't seen it since then and don't know who's got it at the moment, but that's a pretty good history so far and I am sure it will turn up again eventually to add another entry to the list.
Does that help with your caption?
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01-03-2010, 09:29 AM #14
peloton do you have any information on the mclaren f1 currently sitting in a showroom in hong kong at a dealer called SPS SPS Automotive Performance-Mclaren F1 here is the link but it is currently for sale do you know any history on this car?R.I.P Max you were a great dog and you will be missedHidden Content
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01-03-2010, 09:37 AM #15
Their car should either be chassis #063 or #064. They had two silver cars at the same time that were nearly identical and even mixed together some photos of each car in different ads. One of their silver cars I believe ended up going to Japan and resides in the ZAZ Museum now, but I do not know exactly which chassis number yet.
The history I have on both cars is somewhat limited. #063 for as long as I know prior to arrival in HK was probably located in Japan. Earliest photos I have of it there are from 2003, but at the time it was just an unknown silver F1 in Japan - there were many. It hit my radar again when it came up for sale at BingoSports in December 2006. Compounding the problem there at BingoSports was they also picked up chassis #013 around the same time (but at that point no one knew it was #013) and offered it for sale. Luckily while both are the ever-popular silver, the #013 F1 had always had one unique outward feature of all the silver F1s in Japan, and that was small red stripes on the ventlines of the doors, just as Jay Lenos black F1 has. Getting accurate owner information or chassis numbers out of anyone in Asian countries always proves very challenging as they are a much more private culture than us funky Westerners.
To get the chassis numbers of both these BingoSports cars originally, it actually took the luck of my roommate at the time taking a trip to Japan, and me conning him into going into BingoSports to photograph the chassis plates through the windshields. He wasn't permitted to take a single photo by them, but called me after he left their showroom and confirmed the details on both cars. Without that who knows when we'd have gotten that info? I had friends in the USA inquiring directly to BS (hehe) in an effort actually purchase one of their F1s, but they were not interested in selling them outside of Japan they said. Bizarre...
#063 stayed with Bingo for a while and then #013 was sold and bounced around the world. So much for staying in Japan. Then #063 showed up in another random car showroom in Japan I don't recall the name of in Jan 2007. Then in Feb 2007 it appeared in another more generic for sale ad, with new photos, listed out of a European country, but some of those claims can be bogus. Still the pics were almost certainly #063 and the setting looked nothing like a showroom, but more like a finished garage perhaps. I think it was still in Japan then, but then made its way to SPS HK in May 2007.
Chassis #064 actually came out of Malmo, Sweden before its arrival as SPS HK, where it was owned by Claes Wachtmeister, apparently some kind of Lord in Stockholm. First photos I have of it connected to him there only appeared in 2005 though, so hard to be certain where it was or who had it previously. Registration records for the car from Sweden claimed it was registered there as early as 1999-10-15. Given that it was a 1997 model F1, that does leave a gap in the history.
There is one minor, but noteworthy difference on #064 - the "F1 V12" logo in the center of the steering wheel is done in red lettering on black instead of chrome on black as normal, which can be seen quite clearly in one of those interior pics on the SPS website, but I can't promise you since those are the photos they are showing, that #064 is still the car they have for sale. Those were the original pictures they put up on their site as long ago as Sept 2007 and they have never changed. There is also this set of photos on SPS's German website showing #064 being serviced by them in Sept 2006.
One sharp eyed contributor to the cause over the years spotted that same red logo on the steering wheel in some old photos of an F1 on the AutoSalonSingen website in Germany, but no idea when exactly they may have had it for sale as the pics appeared in their Photo Archive with no transaction details. They have redesigned their website since he spotted that, so I can't really link to it now, but I have all the pics in my collection and agree it would be #064. You can see one of the shots it in the middle of this page on the current version of the site. The click through to any additional images or even just a larger version of the first one is failing for me right now. So, anyway that is probably where it came from prior to the 1999 arrival in Sweden. There were apparently a lot of F1s that did originally go to German customers.
So are you lost yet? I bet you are. It's just really difficult as I don't have any great sources of info on that side of the world, the language barrier is not something I can overcome, and I would never imploy the tactics of lying about my intentions for pursuing info (like wasting someone's time pretending to be a phony buyer) just to get the info I am after. I like to believe I play fair and preserve my integrity in all of this. Maybe sending my friend on that covert op to BingoSports was sort of cheating.
Last edited by Peloton25; 01-03-2010 at 10:19 AM.
01-03-2010, 09:43 AM #16
thanks for all the great info man even with the "restricted" info it is quite abundant to me!!! i have always wondered about this car because i have family out in hong kong as well as shanghai and my older brother spotted zondas and such and directed me towards this site where i saw the F1 and the information you have given me is quite more than enough lol! thank you!!!R.I.P Max you were a great dog and you will be missedHidden Content
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01-03-2010, 10:14 AM #17
Just a note, made some edits to it after your post to try and make some parts clearer, and also added a little content to click through.
So... ummm... yeah, that means you have to read it again.
01-03-2010, 10:22 AM #18
01-03-2010, 11:02 AM #19
Love the quote at the end "if you had to do life over again, would you change anything?"
Chambers: "Are you Crazy?!"-Ben Cannon.
01-03-2010, 03:23 PM #20Junior Member
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Maybe this is Claes Wachtmeister's F1?
The foto is taken in the middle of the summer in Sweden, Stockholm. Just outside of "Autoropa AB", the official salesman of Ferrari and Maserati in Sweden.