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    factory claimed stats are always impossible to achieve. There are exceptions, for instance BMW M5 F10, Porsche 911 Turbo etc.
    1000+ bhp through the rear wheels, 0-100 kph will not be good.

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    Still i dont see why your new 1,5 musd Agera R should see the rear of a MP4 or 458.. Obviously it is possible to make a rwd car to set good acceleration times..
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    Well the Agera R or S does have to handle 1000+hp, and launching a turbocharged car can definitely be difficult. I agree though, they should be able to get the 0-100kph time lower.

    I'd like to see what would happen with a launch at full throttle in 2nd gear.

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    Bottom line is 0-100 kmh is a worthless measure and you shouldn't draw conclusions before you've actually seen the cars race each other. I've read that Koenigsegg's runway grows algae so how does the Agera R's launch there compare with say the McLaren MP4-12C running 0-100 kmh in 2,9 s on a drag strip? Must be worse right, 3,7 s vs 2,9 s?



    And how come then a 458 pulls on a MP4 from a roll but gets completely obliterated by the Egg?






    0-100 kmh are so small margins with so many factors it's impossible to tell what will happen until you've actually seen it.

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    Why isn't BC commenting anymore?
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    Great video. I thought the bug would of won lol

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    I actually think 0-100 kph times are very important, not for the numbers itself but to measure traction, suspension etc. Good acceleration times often gives you answerd to how well developed its chassi and computer technology is.
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    There's a few things I would interject.

    1) When you have SportAuto doing 0-100 kmh in 3,1 in the Veyron and 3,8 in the manual 6-speed CCX, then it's questionable how much weight you should put into a one time 3,7 time from a Agera R on a different track when it quite clearly has much more traction, better gear ratio and a smoother torque delivery than the CCX and CCR Evo/faux-CCX ever did?



    In theory a 0-100 kmh time could be somewhat useful, but how do you measure it as per the above? When you compare cars that all push the limits way beyond mechanical grip then any number of things could, in terms of numbers, make the car appear better or worse than it really is. Switching from a drag strip to a slippery runway could make a a massive difference. As could the tyres. Or the weather. Or driver mistakes where there is no LC.

    2) What we do know from direct comparisons is that the Agera is incredibly much quicker than a 458 or a 599 GTB, and assuming the MP4 as well, from a 50 kmh roll on unlike their earlier versions which struggled with just about any car from launch in either roll on or dig; so at best we are not talking 0-100 kmh times but rather 0-50 kmh times since the Agera smokes them in 50-100 kmh. Now let's for arguments sake say that the Agera stinks in the small window before the roll on, then how relevant is 0-50 kmh?



    3) Wouldn't a 0-300-0 kmh run test computer tech and chassis in a much more repeatable and most of all relevant fashion?

    4) In terms of the Agera the LC on the Agera obviously does it's job the way it's supposed to. No more wheelspin through the first three gears but rather the LC kicks in right at the edge of mechanical grip at the beginning of slip via millisecond readings from sensors that compare the car's speed with the wheels rev and limits the rpm accordingly to align the two. The LC leeches on the sensors of the ABS/TCS/ESC-system, so it will be as good or bad as the ABS (I believe it's Bosch in the Agera) and the system should be more than adequate considering it's good for 6,66 s 300-0 kmh corrections. So where do you go from Bosch and "the edge of mechanical grip"?




    I just don't see why the Agera would be any worse at this, or why it would even matter even if there was some way of knowing if is actually was without lining up the cars and have them race each other.

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    Agree with some, disagree with some.. 0-300-0 i guess a Venom GT would beat the Agera? Does it have more advanced systems and chassi? No, only more hp that comes in hand from like 50 or 100 kph.

    With differences so small as 0,1 - 0,6 sec i think surface etc could be a huge factor, didnt think of that. Tires matter hugely as well but i see them as a part of the car, change supplier if they dont do the job. Dont blame poor grip on the tires if you puts them on your customer cars.

    Still i dont see how an egg would beat a MP 4 from 50-100 kph? It takes the McLaren like 1,0 sec to cover that?
    I think Koenigegg needs to figure out a better way for its L/C to work. With their pricing you must be on the top of the food chain in every measurable way compared to a car which costs a 6:th of an Agera.
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    What's wrong with the Venom GT? Regardless what you think of the car it rides a mainly Lotus chassi on Penske dampers and the same Ricardo gear box as the MP4-12C GT3. It's done 427 kmh which is by far a greater accomplishment than a 0-100 kmh time, so yes of course it's good? And when did they snatch 0-300-0?


    If the Agera instantly gets a clear jump on a 458 out of the gate from a roll while the MP4 doesn't, then how is that less significant than a vague 1 second 50-100 kmh time on a different surface? Seeing is believing and what is shown in the videos above are much better launches from the Agera against comparable cars. Forget the numbers because they are not and can not be accurate.


    And what changes do you propose they'd make with the LC? The MP4's fuel injection, starter motor, park distance control and probably a few more things all come from Bosch. They will update the 2013 MP4-12C GT3 with Bosch's latest Motorsport ABS/TCS, the same as the Agera. Or the Huayra, Zonda R or Revolucion for that matter since they also use Bosch. Probably the LaFerrari and P1 as well albeit licensed and as far as I'm aware unofficial.

    So why is Bosch in McLaren MP4 more impressive than Bosch in Koenigsegg? You make it sound like this is some great McLaren innovation but it's off the shelf technology and shouldn't be that much different from one maker to the other. The Bosch system tells the ECU the tyres are slipping and it limits the revs until the Bosch system gives it a green light again. It's pretty straight forward?

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