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    I don't think J_C meant to come off like that, pretty sure he just copy and pasted that info from the wiki page on ford mod motors as a way of providing an example.

    Ill ask the same question though, can you explain engine architecture to me? Or is there any special things between the Coyote/Cammer and the Agera engine that make them so similar?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Will_CA View Post
    I don't think J_C meant to come off like that, pretty sure he just copy and pasted that info from the wiki page on ford mod motors as a way of providing an example.

    Ill ask the same question though, can you explain engine architecture to me? Or is there any special things between the Coyote/Cammer and the Agera engine that make them so similar?
    Since I don't have CAD files (or whatever Ford/Koenigsegg use) of the engines I'll just do this as simply as I can.

    Take a look at a basic mod motor stripped down so we can see the basic shape of the block:


    Now, here's the CC8S motor, which is an exact copy of the mod motor but built with Koenigsegg's own castings:


    Pretty similar except for the CF. Here's the famed Audi 4.2 V8 just to show all DOHC V8's don't look the same:


    Now, the Agera R motor:


    Notice the resemblance again? Even the bolt placement is exactly the same as the basic mod motor. Now, of course CvK has made improvements to it, but again it is far from "completely bespoke".
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    I'm sorry if you perceived me as aggressive, maybe I vas a bit takenaway by the talk about male-kettle-poop..

    I can see the similarities, but I think some off it might be because of being able to reuse the carbonfiber moulds for covers in the beginning (fitting the modular engine). It could definitely bee interesting to learn more..

    And even IF it shows to be a very similar design, I would not say it's the same thing as buying a complete package from someone else. Koenigsegg has done a lot of work on it and managed to build an impressive engine and has several patents in connection to it..
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    Though somewhat similar, Koenigsegg has put a lot of R&D into the Agera's engine. It's no SBF. There was an interesting read recently on Koenigsegg's concept of valve-less engines.
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    Quote Originally Posted by H J View Post
    Though somewhat similar, Koenigsegg has put a lot of R&D into the Agera's engine. It's no SBF. There was an interesting read recently on Koenigsegg's concept of valve-less engines.
    Somewhat similar =/= the exact same block/head profile. Most of their R&D hasn't even been put into the engine, the valve-less concept is a long way off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by srock View Post
    Somewhat similar =/= the exact same block/head profile. Most of their R&D hasn't even been put into the engine, the valve-less concept is a long way off.
    Sources concerning the implemented R&D? Outside of Koenigsegg, no one has a time frame regarding the valve-less technology--no sense in anyone acting as if we have any clue about it, which is why I referenced it as "an interesting article."
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    Quote Originally Posted by H J View Post
    Sources concerning the implemented R&D?
    Watch this video:


    Around 6:40 he explains that the patents for the engine itself are upcoming and that the current ones are mostly on the exhaust.
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    Pretty vague. Enjoyed the video, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by H J View Post
    Pretty vague. Enjoyed the video, though.
    Knowing Koenigsegg, if he has something to brag about he will brag about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by srock View Post
    Knowing Koenigsegg, if he has something to brag about he will brag about it.
    That's just marketing. If your product has a couple of world records or something that distinguish it from everything else, wouldn't you use that for marketing your product?

    Not doing so would be plain stupid.
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