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  • 03-27-2013, 07:32 PM
    Autoholic
    Quote Originally Posted by slicknick View Post
    I don't know about the weight comparo of each engine, but LaFerrari has got a 6.3 V12, not a V8...Just saying
    Yes, we already went over that mistake.
  • 03-27-2013, 12:17 PM
    Horatio Caine
    Quote Originally Posted by Will_CA View Post
    ^^They had to borrow the Enzo from the drummer of Pink Floyd, Nick Mason, in exchange for promoting his book on the show. Which they did as a joke, but nonetheless, Ferrari did not loan them the car. Also I believe the 458 they had on the show was from the owner. And they've used Jame's 430 every time they needed it as well.

    I'd be surprised if the LaFerrari weighs 2800 pounds, the Enzo was light, but the LaFerrari has electric batteries which weigh a ton, and lets not forget that Ferrari likes to exaggerate their performance claims a bit. I think it will come in around 3000, 2900 at the least. Agera R comes in at 2830 dry weight.
    Good point, I forgot about that.
  • 03-27-2013, 11:15 AM
    slicknick
    Quote Originally Posted by FastFords View Post
    I wouldn't be surprised if the hybrid V8 in the LaFerrari weighs the same as the V12 in the Enzo.
    I don't know about the weight comparo of each engine, but LaFerrari has got a 6.3 V12, not a V8...Just saying
  • 03-27-2013, 02:05 AM
    srock
    Quote Originally Posted by FastFords View Post
    There's enough unanswered for me to keep me from saying "ya, Agera R will be untouchable" at Top Gear. I want the weight, torque and acceleration of the LaFerrari first.
    Fair enough.
  • 03-27-2013, 01:52 AM
    Autoholic
    I agree that the hybrid craze is a bunch of BS. They really don't belong on a hypercar. That's not the point of a hypercar, to try and be eco-friendly. I thought it had a V8 for some reason. Anyways, I'm waiting for the stats to come out to say for sure that it cannot beat the Agera R. It all comes down to traction on the Top Gear track and while being lighter is one way to be the fastest, there are others. I'm not convinced that the LaFerrari will keep up, I'm just not underestimating it. Looking at the track times between the Enzo and LaFerrari on the Fiorano track, if applied to Top Gear's would give the LaFerrari a flat 1.14, but the track makes the world of a difference and so do the present conditions. We also still don't have a lap time for the Agera R to base our opinions off of. There's enough unanswered for me to keep me from saying "ya, Agera R will be untouchable" at Top Gear. I want the weight, torque and acceleration of the LaFerrari first.
  • 03-27-2013, 01:28 AM
    srock
    Quote Originally Posted by FastFords View Post
    ^^ You are forgetting that Ferrari also has a F1 team, where being light weight is everything. The KERS system on the LaFerrari could end up being pretty light. I wouldn't be surprised if the hybrid V12 in the LaFerrari weighs the same as the V12 in the Enzo. Yes, Ferrari does like to exaggerate their claims however I see this as having a plausible chance of working out. It ALL depends on how serious Ferrari was on keeping the weight as low as possible.

    My whole point is, until you know the exact figures on the LaFerrari, don't underestimate it. I don't like the car and think it's a POS, but I'd be a fool to think Ferrari won't go fvcking nuts on their new hypercar. If Ferrari wanted to make a hybrid hypercar that can take on the Agera R, stat for stat, they can do it.

    It would be cool if the Agera stood alone in the hypercars and I'd take it over any of the other modern hypercars. But I also know what is possible when Ferrari unleashes its engineers like rabid dogs.
    Them having a F1 team, as I've seen with their newest cars, doesn't mean much of anything IMO. Especially when the FF weighs 4200lbs and the only real F1 tech going into LaFerrari is KERS. FYI the engine in LaFerrari is very similar to the one in the Enzo, pretty much just an evolution of it (think Lambo's 5.0 V10 and 5.2 V10), so they should weigh almost the same. If Ferrari was serious about keeping the weight as low as possible it wouldn't have been a hybrid. It's true we don't know the exact figures on LaFerrari, but its lap time on Fiorano gives us a pretty good idea of what to expect. If Ferrari wanted to beat the Agera they could, but with this car they haven't done it.

    I personally don't like any of the new hypercar offerings from Ferrari/McLaren/Porsche because they are hybrids. Adding weight and saying the added horsepower makes up for it is extremely stupid when acceleration isn't the only thing affected. The official weight on the P1 and LaFerrari aren't out yet so I won't comment on them in this way, but the Porsche 918 comes in at a massive 3700lbs. Walter Rorhl said in a video on it that it would weigh 700kg less without the hybrid equipment, that's 2200lbs and 580hp. How that sounds worse to Porsche than 3700lbs and 800hp I don't know.
  • 03-26-2013, 08:28 PM
    Autoholic
    ^^ You are forgetting that Ferrari also has a F1 team, where being light weight is everything. The KERS system on the LaFerrari could end up being pretty light. I wouldn't be surprised if the hybrid V8 in the LaFerrari weighs the same as the V12 in the Enzo. Yes, Ferrari does like to exaggerate their claims however I see this as having a plausible chance of working out. It ALL depends on how serious Ferrari was on keeping the weight as low as possible.

    My whole point is, until you know the exact figures on the LaFerrari, don't underestimate it. I don't like the car and think it's a POS, but I'd be a fool to think Ferrari won't go fvcking nuts on their new hypercar. If Ferrari wanted to make a hybrid hypercar that can take on the Agera R, stat for stat, they can do it.

    It would be cool if the Agera stood alone in the hypercars and I'd take it over any of the other modern hypercars. But I also know what is possible when Ferrari unleashes its engineers like rabid dogs.
  • 03-26-2013, 07:31 PM
    srock
    Quote Originally Posted by FastFords View Post
    srock, the Agera R is not lighter than the LaFerrari. The two are about equal in weight, 2,844 lbs and just over 2,800 lbs respectively. The exact weight on the LaFerrari isn't known yet but that is the approximate weight. Given Ferrari's capabilities, I wouldn't question this number. The Enzo was 3,000 pounds and I could see somewhere between 100 and 200 pounds taken off that.

    I also know Ferrari's business ethics, or lack there of. I've said it before and I'll say it again, they don't settle for second best and have been known to force journalists / car reviewers to place their cars above all the competition. Ferrari also won't let anyone review a Ferrari if a Lamborghini is also in the car review. It wouldn't shock me if they told Top Gear it has to be the fastest no matter what, or lose your freedom to review their cars. They've strong armed people for less important issues in the past.
    First of all, I think that Ferrari's claim on the weight at Geneva was bullshit. 1255kg dry on a hybrid? I might believe that from McLaren, who have proven that they can make cars very light and very fast, but not from Ferrari. If you do simple math on the lap time differences between the Enzo and LaFerrari on Fiorano and apply it to the Top Gear test track LaFerrari gets a 1:14.4. 963hp and 1255kg should certainly make a better time, since the Huayra is only 730hp and 1350kg and got 1:13.8. Granted they are different tracks but have very similar mechanics; if you compare other lap times between Fiorano and the Top Gear track like I did above they are either the same or very similar, so I think it is a valid comparison.

    Secondly, I highly doubt Top Gear would be susceptible to strong arming from Ferrari. Like the person above me said a lot of their testers haven't been from Ferrari. Top Gear is just such a huge entity that they will be able to get cars either way, I'm sure one of the 499 people would be more than happy to have their car featured on the show.
  • 03-26-2013, 06:46 PM
    Will_CA
    ^^They had to borrow the Enzo from the drummer of Pink Floyd, Nick Mason, in exchange for promoting his book on the show. Which they did as a joke, but nonetheless, Ferrari did not loan them the car. Also I believe the 458 they had on the show was from the owner. And they've used Jame's 430 every time they needed it as well.

    I'd be surprised if the LaFerrari weighs 2800 pounds, the Enzo was light, but the LaFerrari has electric batteries which weigh a ton, and lets not forget that Ferrari likes to exaggerate their performance claims a bit. I think it will come in around 3000, 2900 at the least. Agera R comes in at 2830 dry weight.
  • 03-26-2013, 06:15 PM
    Horatio Caine
    ^^ But they have reviewed the Enzo on Top Gear, tried it on the track and then have it been beaten several times, so I don't quite follow...
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