Thread: Mystic SHHHHMISTIC.. pffft..

I figured I had to have a title that would at least stir up some trouble..

Mystic = DREAM BOAT for me..

Thought Id post a few pics and some info of Don Onkins latest project..

a '50 Mystic with (GET THIS!) Lightning Performance Groups V-16 piston power!! 1700 HP per side turning a mild 6100RPM.. Im making a guesstimate here, but Im betting a cold drink on seeing 0ver 1500 ft.lbs. tq..on PUMP GAS!














D I S C U S S !

Can't discuss, speechless.

I guess my question is "why" on the motor choice.

A well built 632 cube motor, with just a "touch" of boost can make those power numbers, and will live forever at that low of a RPM, and low boost. (I am building one currently to be runnning on E85, since the blower just got added to it finally after being N/A all season last year. It "was" spinning 8,200rpm, but now with the blower will spin much slower, since there is no need to ring it out as hard)

Id have to see some numbers such as....

- Motor Cost
- Fuel Consumption (idle, and light cruise it will eat fuel, WOT will be the same as any 1500hp motor)
- Motor Weight
- Guestimated Maint. time, and cost

Before I could give it a stamp of approval.....


I haven't heard much about these motors in production, and long term stuff. But I know of a couple others that have tried it, and gave up. Other then tractor pullers.

LOVE THOSE HULLS though.

wow...


1 word description = beast

This boat is going to be sick..

Originally Posted by E.A.

I guess my question is "why" on the motor choice.

From their site:

Because of market demand for bigger and faster boats, engine builders have been asked to deliver more horsepower.

Building high horsepower engines has never been a problem, the problems come in the lack of reliability, higher expenses and the lack of reliable sources of quality fuel.

The concept of coupling 2 V-8’s together to run as one addresses and solves Both problems.

Now you can have 1,500 horsepower and 1,600 lb ft of torque, while using pump gas available anywhere and have reliability that allows us to provide a 1 year warranty and the peace of mind of trouble-free boating. Something unheard of with the kind of performance that can be had with this engine package.

Originally Posted by E.A.

It "was" spinning 8,200rpm, but now with the blower will spin much slower, since there is no need to ring it out as hard)

Sounds like you build 1320 automotive engines.

Originally Posted by 38 Cigarette

Sounds like you build 1320 automotive engines.

What I do, has nothing to do with what we are talking about here.
If I want to talk about something I have done, I will post about it.

To me I need hard facts, and numbers,.... not just marketing hype. Thats all. Just like when a new hull comes out, looks are one thing....but how does it perform..what are the stats on it. Weight, Speed, Drag, Cost... Motors are no different.

In my experience 99% of the failures I have seen with motors usually aren't a parts failure, or because of HP. Its nearly always something simple....... clogged fuel filter, stuck relay, clogged injector, lack of maintnece (fuel soaked oil, for being on the revlimiter) ect ect. So to me ANY motor can suffer the same fate, no matter the power level.

Yes, hooking two motors together might be new(ish) to the boat world, but its been done since the dawn of time. Go to a tractor pull, heck they put 8 motors together. (And most of the time its more of a looks thing, most pullers with 2 motors far outpull the other machines with 3+ motors) But anways......

What would be truly impressive is.....

- Inventing a way to prevent the failure reasons I listed above.

To me thats innovation, and if I had $$$ comming out of my ears right now, thats what I would spend my time working on. Ways to protect, and warn the users, on all motors no matter the HP level.


Think about it like this....

1500hp motor: Weight + Top Speed - Durablity- Fuel Consm = X

1000hp motor: Weight + Top Speed - Durablity- Fuel Consm = X

750+750 Motor (Weight+Weight) + Top Speed - Durablity- Fuel Consm = X

Those are the FACTS that I need.

To me I would have to see the speed difference and true durablity difference, between the bottom two. Sure the higher the HP the ragged edge you ride on pump gas. But honestly, 1000hp on pump gas is childs play and has been for years. No matter the motorsport its in, with the right equipment, tune, and usage. People have proved that you can make over 2,000hp on pump gas. Yes the fuel has its limits, but its been learned that it was MUCH farther then people though, with creative thinking and new technology. People now make over 3,500hp out of standard Big Block Chevys....nobody would have ever thought that possibly just 3-5 years ago.

Don't see me as a hater.... see me as somone that always demands FACTS, and not hype.

EA


PS: Still love the boat, love the concept, just wanna see it make the numbers on the water.

Simply toooo sick :P

Let me throw this in there..

Lets start at the back of the boat and work our way forward.

Prop Theory. The bigger the prop, the further it moves the boat in the water on each given turn. What allows you to turn bigger, steeper props? TORQUE. A v16 gives you 1500 ftlbs of torque to run size 40 + wheels with no trouble and keeping your rpm's down. By keeping your RPM's down, youre gaining longevity of the motor and fuel economy. By NOT using blowers and high compression, you can run almost any fuel in it. Which is a HUUUUGE advantage for long poker runs. Try finding 100 octane in key west of the bahamas!

And as far as the 'facts' are concerned on the mystic hull, theres MORE than enough there to blow this thread apart. But I dont want to get into hydrodynamics, lift, surface tension etc and help prove all of mystics theories..