Thread: Streetrace Skyline R34 vs RX7

Originally Posted by [Petrolsexual]

Oh come on gimme a break.

What would you like a break on?
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Originally Posted by Destructo

What would you like a break on?

On all that "streetracing is bad and might kill people" thing.
If you want to buy and mod a fast car and then drive it like a granny do so, but stop blaming people who enjoy their cars properly.

Some people are able to drive fast with their brains still working and without putting anybody in considerable danger. Yes, chances are that something might go wrong and that someone might get hurt. But chances are that happens when taking the dog 4 a walk.

I'm not a fan either of people speeding through a city center when crowded but at night on an almost empty highway?!..

Of course there are way more idiots out there who wont use their brains and without some driving skill but as long as they keep the risk 4 non involved people at a minimum they'd just kill them selfes.

Originally Posted by [Petrolsexual]

On all that "streetracing is bad and might kill people" thing.
If you want to buy and mod a fast car and then drive it like a granny do so, but stop blaming people who enjoy their cars properly.

Some people are able to drive fast with their brains still working and without putting anybody in considerable danger. Yes, chances are that something might go wrong and that someone might get hurt. But chances are that happens when taking the dog 4 a walk.

I'm not a fan either of people speeding through a city center when crowded but at night on an almost empty highway?!..

Of course there are way more idiots out there who wont use their brains and without some driving skill but as long as they keep the risk 4 non involved people at a minimum they'd just kill them selfes.

I respectfully disagree with your statements, and If I may, I'd like to point out some holes in them.

First Point:

Originally Posted by [Petrolsexual]

On all that "streetracing is bad and might kill people" thing.

While the video occurred overseas, Japan I believe, statistics according to the L.A. Times and the National Highway Traffic and Safety Administration puts illegal street racing deaths in the United States average above 100 people per year. This is a minuscule number in comparison to a multitude of preventable deaths. However, the evidence could be considered 'inconclusive' for our specific purposes, as they fail to recognize which incidents and the proper quantifiers for street racing.

Your second point:

Originally Posted by [Petrolsexual]

"If you want to buy and mod a fast car and then drive it like a granny do so, but stop blaming people who enjoy their cars properly."

In your argument here you are implying that there are two schools of thought in regard to "enjoying" and modifying vehicles.

The first being the 'modify and drive like a grandmother,' and 'the ones who 'properly enjoy' them.'

This is an awful way to present your idea, your implications are that for someone, myself specifically, to 'properly enjoy' a modified car, I need to street race. False. I can purchase a vehicle, modify it however i deem necessary and enjoy the pants off of it, on say a track for example, without concern of law enforcement intervention, a teenage girl texting on her phone while driving, or a drunk driver leaving the bar at 2am, gets on the highway and decides to make sudden lane changes.

While there is a chance that myself and or other may be injured, everyone present has accepted that possibility and freely elected to be there. Those on public roadways have a reasonable expectation to traverse the streets and highways, at any hour, without worrying about someone doing 3 or 4 times the posted speed limit.

In regard to the blame, I'm all for having fun, but there is a time and a place. According to local law enforcement city streets are never the place to 'race' or attempt land-speed records.

On a brief side note, if you question the makers of those parts (modified), more so for legal reasons, they'll tell you to take competition and high-speed antics to the track.

Third Point:

Originally Posted by [Petrolsexual]

Some people are able to drive fast with their brains still working and without putting anybody in considerable danger. Yes, chances are that something might go wrong and that someone might get hurt. But chances are that happens when taking the dog 4 a walk.

You are correct that there are some people who are able to drive fast without putting some in considerable danger. They are usually professional drivers on a closed course. There are less variables there, refer to point two rebuttal for clarification.

You are also correct on the fact that something may or may not happen. But to imply that the same injuries from a high-speed tangle or wreck could be sustained from walking your dog, is preposterous. That is unless you are walking your dog down the highway in the middle of the night for grins and giggles.

Fourth Point:

Originally Posted by [Petrolsexual]

I'm not a fan either of people speeding through a city center when crowded but at night on an almost empty highway?!..

My position was against street racing in general, that would include a "crowded city center" or a "almost empty highway," I do not approve of either. Now if the highway was closed off and empty, that would be an option I could agree with.

Fifth and Final Point:

Originally Posted by [Petrolsexual]

Of course there are way more idiots out there who wont use their brains and without some driving skill but as long as they keep the risk 4 non involved people at a minimum they'd just kill them selfes.

You are correct and I agree with some of your statement. The main point being there are plenty of idiots out there and that they will continue to not use proper reasoning, and put themselves and others (more importantly and sadly) in danger. However, I disagree with the statement "as long as they keep those that are not involved to a minimum, that it's OK."

If it was their desire to truly keep the risk for those uninvolved to a minimum, they would go to a closed course with proper safety precautions and measure, where even the risk of killing themselves would be significantly reduced.

My apologies if this comes across rather 'dickish,' but videos like these are not helping the car world, especially the aftermarket industry. While 9 times out 10 something doesn't happen, it's the 10th time that is usually in such a spectacular fashion that legislation is passed in a fear mongering haze, by the often disconnected proponents of said legislation, that truly hinders those who try to participate in the sport or hobby legally.


If there are any inconsistencies with my positions by all means let me know. I'm not unreasonable in a proper discussion.
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I get your point. Actually I already got it when you posted the short version of it but I appreciate you took your time to figure it out in such extensive elucidation.

So in your opinion everybody who likes to drive fast should keep it to a closed track on a closed track only.

I'm sorry but I just disagree stongly.

I've been doing both, driving fast on public roads and track racing 4 a considerable amount of time now. Infact I'm on the worlds most dangerous and hardest track at least once a week for several hours, in summer even more often. First off there is a huge difference in the thrill of each one of both events. Empty streets, especially at night have a certain thrill about them to everybody who likes speed. Thats quiet complex to explain but basically its in every one of us, the "need 4 speed", thats a fact btw!

Track racing is more serious, less individual, more stressfull, more expensive and safe. Which makes it less interesting 4 many people.

I agree on some of your points but just not as radical as you mentioned them. If 4 instance some 19 year old thinks he's better than Vin Diesel and puts his car against a tree and dies without anybody else involved, who cares? Seriously. One idiot less on the streets that might put other people in danger.

But no, you dont have to be a pro racer to be able to use your brain while driving. It very, very often seems that way, yes but this is also depending on somebodys interests. If you're just stupid and dont care about others and your car, than it becomes dangerous. If on the other hand you're driving with the thought in mind "I want to have fun but without diying", "I dont want to harm uninvolved people", "I dont want to crash my car", "I want to improve my car control" then I dont have any worries. Of course it COULD happen that one of the no brainers runs into you although you were careful but thats just bad luck then and that can happen everywhere to everyone.

But then, if fast cars wouldnt be meant to be driven fast on the road they wouldnt exist. You cant generalize.

Its fun and freedome that makes competing cars on the streets so attractive. Even driving fast just for yourself without racing anybody- its just great, great fun! If anybody'd try to take that from me, I would kill em. Seriously.

I disagree aswell on just tracks. They are always closed. Very limited use. Lots of areas where you can see far ahead in public roads to drive fast. My grandfather once told me "If you fear death you are already dead". I'll let your imaginations play on that.

Originally Posted by [Petrolsexual]

I get your point. Actually I already got it when you posted the short version of it but I appreciate you took your time to figure it out in such extensive elucidation.

So your opinion everybody who likes to drive fast should keep it to a closed track on a closed track only.

I'm sorry but I just disagree stongly.

I've been doing both, driving fast on public roads and track racing 4 a considerable amount of time now. Infact I'm on the worlds most dangerous and hardest track at least once a week for several hours, in summer even more often. First off there is a huge difference in the thrill of each one of both events. Empty streets, especially at night have a certain thrill about them to everybody who likes speed. Thats quiet complex to explain but basically its in every one of us, the "need 4 speed", that a fact btw!

Track racing is more serious, less individual, more stressfull, more expensive and saver. Which makes it less interesting 4 many people.

I agree on some of your points but just not as radical as you mentioned them. If 4 instance some 19 year old thinks he's better than Vin Diesel and puts his car against a tree and dies without anybody else involved, who cares? Seriously. One idiot less on the streets that might put other people in danger.

But no, you dont have to be a pro racer to be able to use your brain while driving. It very, very often seems that way, yes but this is also depending on somebodys interests. If you're just stupid and dont care about others and your car, than it becomes dangerous. If on the other hand you're driving with the thought in mind "I want to have fun but without diying", "I dont want to harm uninvolved people", "I dont want to crash my car", "I want to improve my car control" then I dont have any worries. Of course it COULD happen that a one of the no brainers runs into you although you were careful but thats just bad luck then and that can happen everywhere to everyone.

But then, if fast cars wouldnt be meant to be driven fast on the road they wouldnt exist. You cant generalize.

Its fun and freedome that makes competing cars on the streets so attractive. Even driving fast just for yourself without racing anybody- its just great, great fun! If anybody'd try to take that from me, I would kill em. Seriously.

There are multiple points in the above statement that I agree with, one of which is I am familiar with the thrill of racing on the street, and thankfully have gotten it out of my system.

I suppose we could boil it down to preference, and leave it at that, but where would the fun be there
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^^ jumping on someone for street racing? how many people get killed from DUI? street racing is a blast and a great way to go should you fvck up. this is a really late response btw.

I liked the video. Natural selection knows no national boundaries.