Thread: ugh, just heard about some LA smoking ban at outdoorcafes

and sidewalk seating areas...

40ft distance from sidewalk cafes and outdoor dining to smoke???? what the **** ????

if i lived there i'd be pissed!

Land of the free.

it starts in cali and spreads to the rest of the country.

i'm on the fence about this. never been a smoker, and it sucks that non-smokers can be exposed to secondhand, but we should either outlaw it or allow it, all these rules seem silly

It's actually 20 ft. The bar I used to work at had a yellow strip painted so you knew where you could kill a lung dart. Lame. At least you can smoke inside @ the Indian Casinos.

In the long run it will be better for everyone...

-From a current smoker

From a guy who pushes a stroller on the weekends....I have no problem with it.

Originally Posted by SaturnKilled A-E

It's actually 20 ft. The bar I used to work at had a yellow strip painted so you knew where you could kill a lung dart. Lame. At least you can smoke inside @ the Indian Casinos.

Yeah, NO. It is 10' around stationary eating areas, 40' around mobile vendors. And it won't go into effect until 30 days after Mayor Tony Villar Jr. signs it.

Great. No more Cigars at Havana Room. No more Hookah at The Spot.
FTMFL!

Yea I heard about this yesterday, ridiculous is what it is. Big thanks though to my friends at CRA (Cigar Rights of America) and Brian Berman, California based Director of CRA Membership. They have been dealing with this for a while now.. you should read up on it! Here is an email they sent me:

Brian Berman January 21 at 11:21am Reply
CIGAR RIGHTS OF AMERICA


*FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE*
Date: January 20, 2010
Contact: Brian Berman
Phone: (818) 541-1535
Email: info@cigarrights.org

Los Angeles City Council Passes Smoking Ban In Outdoor Dining Areas
- CRA Successfully Negotiated Several Exemptions -

Fairfax, VA – After a lengthy process of negotiations and deliberations, the Los Angeles City Council approved a new outdoor smoking policy for the City of Los Angeles, California. The approved policy will now be sent to the Mayor’s office, who is expected to sign the legislation that was introduced by City Council Member Grieg Smith some 18-months ago.

The ordinance goes into effect 30–days after signature by the Mayor. Initially, there will be a one-year grace period which will allow business owners who allow or cater to cigar enthusiasts, an opportunity to adjust their business operations as well as educate customers on the new policy. Once the one-year period is over, there could be citations issued by City code enforcement officials for individuals and business owners who violate the policy. Maximum fines for violating any of the new provisions would be $250, as provided by state law.

The new policy will:

ban smoking at outdoor dining areas of restaurants and within 10 feet of the area
ban smoking in a food court or within 10-feet of that area
ban smoking within a forty foot radius of a business, such as a food kiosk, food cart or mobile food truck that regularly sells or provides food or drinks but has no dedicated outdoor dining area

“From the day this motion was introduced, Cigar Rights of America (CRA) and their members, took the lead and directed policy strategy that ultimately led to significant modifications of the original ordinance motion”, said Victor Franco, Jr., Lobbyist for Ek & Ek Public Advocacy, who coordinated strategy and worked the issue day-to-day for CRA. “As soon as CRA brought us on-board, we went to work meeting directly with City Council Members and staff”.

While there is disappointment that Los Angeles City has enacted an outdoor smoking ban, the new ordinance does include several exemptions that were won by the CRA. Those exemptions include:

Bars as well as Cigar Lounges are exempted from the policy
Private, non-public events are exempt
Restaurants that move to a lounge or bar experience via their City permit - particularly in the late evening hours - are exempt from the policy once patrons are required to be 18 or older

Partnering with Ek & Ek to work this issue at all levels of LA City Government, CRA staff, including Los Angeles-based Brian Berman (CRA’s Director of Membership) and other CRA members had one-on-one meetings with LA City Council Members.

“While we understand the council’s need to act on this issue, we wanted to make sure that council members understood how this is an infringement of personal freedom – not to mention the devastating business impacts and implications on retail and restaurant owners across Los Angeles City,” said Berman. “The cigar experience is precisely that, an experience. While a cigarette smoker may feel the need or urge to take a drag on a cigarette at any time during the day, cigar enthusiasts typically plan the event as an experience with fine wine, some Cognac, or after a nice dinner with friends,” Berman added after being asked by a City Council Member to differentiate a cigar enthusiast vs. a cigarette smoker.

About Cigar Rights of America
Cigar Rights of America (CRA) was founded on the principle of fighting for the freedom to enjoy premium cigars. A consumer-based, non-profit public advocacy organization that works with local, state and federal governments to protect the freedoms of cigar enthusiasts, CRA works with its constituency of members including manufacturers, retailers and cigar enthusiasts to focus on opposing restrictive smoking bans and increased taxation of cigars. CRA - Cigar Rights of America

^^ don't understand their personal rights argument when they diss cig smokers in the next breath.


never smoked, never will, but it's a stupid law

- chuck