Thread: E92 M3...Tecnocraft ///M Project

Amazing work there boys! Perfect set up.

i can say first hand that i was there when we were doing the dyno testing on the product. we were testing the complete kit vs stock. same car same dyno berfore intake and after and the car made gains. things to understand is no two dynos read the same. especially different brands. i can make a dyno pass on the dyno and go down the street and get a different number. the importance is what it reads. and the gains should be about the same when done on the same dyno. i saw the gains right in front of my face. car loved it. i can tell you this too. the guys at tecnocraft are amazing and make some of the best cf product around. i know they stand behind their product. great guys!

Originally Posted by famous autosports

i can say first hand that i was there when we were doing the dyno testing on the product. we were testing the complete kit vs stock. same car same dyno berfore intake and after and the car made gains. things to understand is no two dynos read the same. especially different brands. i can make a dyno pass on the dyno and go down the street and get a different number. the importance is what it reads. and the gains should be about the same when done on the same dyno. i saw the gains right in front of my face. car loved it. i can tell you this too. the guys at tecnocraft are amazing and make some of the best cf product around. i know they stand behind their product. great guys!

+1 , some of the best if not the best CF products out there.

Just got back from multiple back-to-back dyno tests this week on the system with very interesting, but explainable results.

The testing was done independently at Autowave, Inc. (Huntington Beach) with two ///M owners, strangers, I've never met before in my life who had volunteered for dyno testing of the complete ENVY intake system. I have to personally thank Mike@Autowave, also a first time meet) for all of his insight and expertise on the dyno, hints, tips, tricks, explanations and exhaustive experience on his DYNODYNAMICS (he has been dyno'ing since 2001).

Another shout out to Betim@BBI for personally observing the installs, performing the install on one vehicle himself for his very first time, and to provide support as the shop next door. Another shout out to Mitch@FamousAuto for his observance on other dyno days with the system as well. All of us, including shop foreman, tuners and customers went over procedures together as to both make efficient use of dyno time at every location this intake system has been dyno'd on.

As a welcome, PowerChip had decided to throw themselves into the frying pan with tuning development on top of the intake system in vital stages since the community was also calling for some type of tuning development and had "what if's" about pairing the system with tunes. Interesting results were found here as well.

I would like to throw out a few things for myself:

-I've personally now observed at least 65+ hours of dyno development time with multiple E9X ///M3s, with every variation of ENVY intake system possible from its first dyno to its last.
-I'm doing my best to provide non-biased feedback of the system, even when all of you know I'm Tecnocraft PR. I'm also not shy on the dyno and completely love public interaction with the intake system, surrounded by the car owners, observers, independent shop management. I am striving to provide internal, yet independent thoughts on an intake system Tecnocraft makes, and if I'm able to answer any questions, shoot at me and I'll do the best with what I've picked up.
-Every single dyno I've seen the ENVY system perform on has been on a DYNODYNAMICS for consistency, yes the heartbreaker, load-bearing dyno. Again, I have to thank and completely appreciate Alex@Gintani and Mike@Autowave for their time and overtime on their own dynos - they could literally care less about what the intake system does and have NO PROBLEMS voicing their opinions about an NA upgrade!
-I'm very, very sleepy. The Tecnocraft mug has been filled twice since this post.
-I've also been recommended by nearly everyone to observe the cars doing 60-130mphs with 'VBoxes' and 'BavTech' cables...so we're not completely done yet, which is a plus.

I'll be compiling the data to be presentable and understandable in the next few days, so I'm definitely going to be pulling the patience rope on the community. The feedback from customers, shop foreman that we've dealt with, tuners, and our own dev guys have to ALL make sense in complete review of this performance system. I foresee myself sitting in a conference room for hours trying to go through all my notes...

TGIF.

And guys, please, if you have any questions about any facts based upon the prologue, ask away. The above is not saying that I'll be in a cave typing away either, lol. I'd just rather present all of the information in one consistent presentation and then answer results based questions as best I can later.

FYI - some important past links that'll get you up to speed:
[DYNO VIDEO] Tecnocraft E9X M3 Envy Intake System
Tecnocraft E9X ///M3 Envy? Intake System

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Alright everyone, I've attached all the dynos and will quickly describe each one to the best of my knowledge. Forum members 'Vic55' (DCT tranny) and 'Sinajoon' (6SPD tranny) were the testers of the ENVY intake systems on two separate days on their otherwise completely stock intake E92 M3s, but each dyno was baselined and performed on the same day in straight through sessions. If anyone has any questions directed to these guys or PowerChip or something I can forward to the Tecno team outside of the knowledge of this dyno, please let us know here.

Location: AutoWave, Huntington Beach, CA. - a big thanks to Mike@Autowave for his time, knowledge, and downright patience! Highly recommended place to get things dialed in and tested. By all means, please visit the place to cross reference any dynographs and to ask Mike for his opinions on how both dyno sessions went. It was agreed that the load-bearing DYNO DYNAMICS was as true-to-life as it could get.

Prologue:
I also want to reaffirm that before our dyno days, I've never met either of them in my life, though by now common ground, they are PowerChip customers. I met Vic through him being good friends with Betim @ BBi, but also that he's been an advocate of PC for some time now. Sina was a chosen recommendation through PowerChip as a development vehicle for e92 M3 chiptuning first, and*secondly,*through great timing he worked out well for when testing our own Tecnocraft Envy system on a BONE STOCK with an intake matched tune on top of the intake. BOTH of them had Macht Schnell filters. On Vic's car, the replacement of the M&S filter with the BMC filter netted negligible differences to horsepower...at the end of the day, he just left with the BMC anyway.

On the first day, Vic's M3 came in already tuned (found out the day we met, but that's fine), but with RPi scoops. In fairness to the ENVY system, we baselined the car "stock" by removing the RPi scoops with Betim's help because the Tecnocraft ENVY has RAM AIR scoops. This is what we considered a true baseline after much thought. I don't remember exactly his modlist, but he's had a few things done, hence his tuned car.

On the second PowerChip day, PowerChip was able to achieve a tune off of a baseline, a tune off of the manifold itself, a tuned intake system itself (4 main pieces), and a tuned intake system plus manifold complete. Since we were able to tune the components to the car, Vic's car (at a future scheduled time) can be dialed in to accept the system as well, hopefully to negate any losses.

Results (downloadable charts HERE):


On "Sina_M3_CPvStock.jpg" (image name), we netted a positive gain in the installation of the chargepipe - there's also more air as noted in AFRs, so there was room to dial in some gains with an intake system tuned. But overall, in Sina's bone stock car, it liked the addition of the chargepipe. This is a comparison of the best baseline we had, versus the best chargepipe run we had. According to this scale, the chargepipe gets 6.5HP between 6200-6900rpm, and same kind of spread at peak, 8300+rpm.


On "Sina_M3_Baseline_TC Full SystemNoMan_FinalTune.jpg", we used that same highest peak baseline dyno and ran it against the best that the Tecnocraft ENVY System could get without a tune, the gains are considerably negligible on top of the chargepipe. We gain maybe +1.5-2HP up top at 8300+, but more or less, we're starting to see a negative effect of too much air into the system because at some areas, the chargepipe alone netted more gains (4000RPMs and lower). The maximum achieved horsepower in the day was seen in tc fullsystem+mani+pwrchip tune (which is the same as bills tune, renamed) which is all components installed including the manifold, tuned in to what Sina's car particularly likes in order to achieve max HP (if anyone asks about AFRs). I'll let PC chime in on this one and provide me with official statements since they tuned the car and this was how it achieved the gains. This maximum HP result is a complete PC-tuned Tecnocraft Envy Intake System including the manifold.


In "Sina_M3_TCMan_Baseline_FinalTune.jpg",*As the day went on, we performed another baseline for consistency BEFORE installation of the TC Manifold (red) / TC Manifold tuned (purple) runs, and we were extremely happy to report Sina's car running flawlessly during the whole day, yielding good baseline runs (blue line, stock m3, they're off at peak by 1-2hp). This is just comparing the manifold BY ITSELF versus stock, the manifold+tuning versus stock, and the entire equipped system+manifold to stock. The manifold netted gains much like the addition of the ChargePipe in the 6200-6900rpm area, but netted even more gains when tuned to the car, flattened out the AFRs to 13 too (similarly to Vics). Curiously, though, PowerChip's tune (even though it's named bill's tune for some reason) configured Sina's car with maximum horsepower gains with the entire system installed+manifold but had the richest AFR - again will leave to PC explain this one, but "bills tune" is a curve of the entire intake system+manifold tuned to the M3 for comparison purposes.


In the dyno, "Vic55_M3_Final_Scoops", interestingly enough, although his car netted a LOSS on the chargepipe installation by itself. Remember all his baselines now are without the RPi scoops, so he's "bone stock" as far as intake systems go. But with just the addition of the Ram Air Scoops, we netted the gains in HP and a good amount of torque as the car revved up (4100+). Vic's car did NOT like the Chargepipe the moment it was added, and can arguably be explained by having his car extremely dialed in to the setup he had. I could see why the scoops would work in a dialed in car, since it's helping to direct that fan air smoothly into the OEM system as it needs the airflow and speed - air volume isn't particularly increased with the RAM AIR scoops, but rather an easier attainable hi-flow inlet of cold air, my thoughts. Again, this graph is ONLY the ram air scoops + OEM. PowerChip states that the complete ENVY system can be dialed in accordingly when the time comes for a retune or if Vic is up for it.


On "VIc55_M3_Final.jpg", it was a bit frustrating because any combination we tried WITH the chargepipe netted a loss. Vic decided to just keep the ChargePipe out and leave the scoops, boxcover, and transition pipe in and voila, power came back to the system. We had to run this a few configurations just to see this happen consistently and it really, really irked me to accept, but that's okay. I felt in the end that comparing a chipped car vs. bone stock car was very important in these tests. Running the full system without the chargepipe achieved maximum horsepower of the day and maximum horsepower over stock. The netted gain in this scenario, is just 1.3HP more than the maximum the ENVY ram air scoops gained by themselves - without additional tuning.

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I'd like thoughts and responses that add towards a dyno discussion of these products (I'll start a troubleshoot thread elsewhere if/when I can on any other issues). I hope that anyone even remotely interested in ANY intake system on ANY platform would be proud, crazy enough, and/or extremely thick skinned to have their products scrutinizingly tested with results displayed "rain" or "shine" in all types of combinations and scenarios. And I'm happy to be involved as a field rep for the Tecnocraft product to report these findings as independently as I possibly can. By all means, I am again urging anyone wanting to baseline and compare their E92s to the Tecnocraft ENVY Intake System at either of these two OUTSTANDING facilities for base comparisons:

Alex@Gintani - DYNODYNAMICS
Mike@Autowave - DYNODYNAMICS

These guys are both honest and reputable people who can pull up these graphs at any time for you.

Notes on future testing:

Sina has a "VBOX" and PC can supply the "BavTech" cables so we can do the 60-130s, or record IATs, whatnot... if theyre all up for it, I would love to test these too as a "Part 2" to the tests.

There are a few graphs above that I would just like to throw out the difference in +TQ in the additions of parts of the ENVY system... Will have to quantify it to make things more clear.

I've received word that our composite guys have adjusted a few parts of the molds to avoid any future fitment mishaps, giving better tolerances so that installation should be much smoother!

what does that mean for existing part owners?

Originally Posted by bunnn

what does that mean for existing part owners?

I'm overhearing talks of offering an exchange program, but once I know something official, I would definitely let people know.