Thread: 2013 Ford SHELBY GT500: 662 hp & 631 ft-lbs tq! First Drive

^^ This! Chrysler is doing very well and their products are bring praised by consumers and critics. So

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Originally Posted by TXSTYLE

^^ This! Chrysler is doing very well and their products are bring praised by consumers and critics. So

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My wife loves her new SRT-8 Jeep!

Originally Posted by CDubb

My wife loves her new SRT-8 Jeep!

Pics Please!!! That thing is BADASS!!!

Originally Posted by TXSTYLE

Pics Please!!! That thing is BADASS!!!

I'll start a thread once I get it cleaned up as I just got it back from the body shop getting the chrome trim painted.

Originally Posted by CDubb

I'll start a thread once I get it cleaned up as I just got it back from the body shop getting the chrome trim painted.

Nice, shoot me a PM as a reminder please.

Originally Posted by ONeill121003

I'm sorry, but I cant help but think this is a little biased. The most important part is sales (remind you, I sell Fords for a living) and the Camaro has outsold the Mustang since 2010. The LS series engine is #Unfuckwithable. The Challenger is non-competitive for both the Mustang and the F-Body, it's not even within topic.

In terms of the Modern Muscle car crowd, the Challenger is competitive with both the Mustang and Camaro. Sure even with the SRT8 a Mustang and Camaro will beat it around the track, but for every day use, the Challenger cannot be beat. How often are owners going to the track with any of these cars? They spend most of their time on the street, so dismissing the Challenger as a competitor is foolish. It still takes away sales from the Camaro and the Mustang, just maybe not a huge amount. Yes, I'm biased but I'm not loyal to Ford for the sake of loyalty. I have good reasons for liking Ford. The LS engine is good, however the 5.8 L in the GT500 is out of that engine's league. More about this with the 4.6 L. About the Camaro outselling the Mustang, a couple of points to be noted here that are important to that analysis. The retro Mustang [2005 model year] came out 4 years before the retro Camaro [2009 model year], that plays into the sales. The recent Camaro isn't as common as the recent Mustang. If you don't think that plays a significant part in sales, you aren't very good at your job. The only way to really see sales performance on an even basis for the two, would be if the two came out during the same year. For a really good chart on this at the start of 2009, look below. The Camaro isn't exactly killing the mustang and in 2013, I think the Mustang will outperform in sales with the GT500 to compete with the ZL1. An even match up for the Boss 302 would be the Camaro 2SS with options, which MotorTrend didn't do in the road test comparison. I'm looking forward to their GT500 vs ZL1 show down.

As far as Ford being on their game since 04... the 4.6l was a joke. Any f-body past 93 with a 6-speed, would outrun or run with a Mustang up until the new 5.0. The Fusion didnt come into play until 06, and wasnt competitive until 08. The Ford GT was magnificent, no arguing there, even if the Z06 was competitive in numbers. The Raptor is awesome, but it does not define trucks, what was it's towing capacity again? It's badass, you and I will agree on that, but it's not an everyday, work truck.

The 4.6L was not a joke, maybe in your opinion it was. Look at the Cobra R, Cobra and Saleen Mustangs and tell me those were a joke. The cylinder heads developed for the 4.6 L in the Cobra were the basis for the cylinder heads in the Ford GT. The mod motor out performs the LS engine class by design. Go head to head with exact same displacement in both engine families, and you'll see the mod motor leave the LS in the dust. The LS is a good engine, but it still uses push rods. This in the 21st century, it's time for Chevy to retire that engine in their sports cars. Both the FE and the Windsor engine families were good engines, but they were out dated in design. European car makers have been using the OHC layout for decades and for good reason, the design is more efficient. Say what you want about the 4.6L, but at least Ford uses the OHC layout in the Mustang.

As far as the Fusion, not much changed between 2006 and 2008. Not being competitive till 2008 is more likely due to marketing, but that doesn't even matter. We aren't talking 2006, we're talking now. About the Raptor being the definition of a truck, I don't mean work truck, I mean kick ass truck. How many trucks on the market can you go extreme off-roading with, stock, without damaging it? Only one. That was my point. As far as work truck, I think the F150 and the F series in general has that covered pretty well. The F150 is the best selling truck in America.

The Boss 302 was not half the price of it's better placed competitors. The Boss 302 we sold recently, at MSRP, was 44k. The Cayman, which placed 4th, starts at 44k. Albeit, with options, you're obviously going to raise in price.

I'm pretty sure the Cayman R that was used for the write up was worth an easy $80K at MSRP, the base starts at $67K. So, just about twice the price and the top 3 were beyond twice the price. My point still stands about the Boss 302 Laguna Seca doing pretty damn good against more expensive vehicles. Where was the Camaro 2SS (its competitor, price wise when it's properly optioned) in all of this? Wasn't even featured.

The Z06 (Z07 Package) placed right after, in 6th place.. and they (MT) we're willing to say that it handled competition very well...

It also was the ONLY car sent to MT with slicks. They even noted that the tires made a huge impact on how the 'Vette performed. Put some slicks on the Boss 302 and see how well that car performs. The 'Vette is a two seater small sports car that is much more expensive and the Boss, a mid sized sports car, beat it for all around performance as a driver's car.

Like I said before... until we get an unbiased comparison... it's all shit talking. I'm partial to GM because of my family, but Ford is a very close 2nd place regarding manufacturers. I think they're doing an incredible job, and the new Escape and Fusion coming out make my job very easy. I just do not believe that everyone should be ridin' em like they are.

As long as you admit you're biased towards GM, fair game. Calling Ford the 2nd place manufacturer in your own opinion is fine, but as far as true performance, calling Ford a 2nd place [American] manufacturer is an insult. Just compare the financial standings of both Ford and GM. Ford recently got a credit score upgrade from Moody's, to investment grade. That was a huge financial goal for Ford, they still are working on the other two.

CLIFF NOTES: Ford is not better then GM - GM is not better then Ford; it's merely personal/brand preference. Chrsyler is done, other then Cummins and minivans.

Yes, Ford IS better than GM and that is NOT an opinion. Going off of financial standing as the basis for performance, Ford is outperforming GM where it counts. Ford didn't need a bailout, GM did. Per year, Ford makes more profit than GM. Ford's credit rating is higher than GM's, the most recent info I could get from Moody's puts GM at Ba3, which is only stable. I already noted about Ford's investment grade credit rating, which is Baa3. When you get into the bailout of GM, you realize that GM's stock market value and the value of the company is inflated, because the Gov't owns 71% of the company. FactCheck.org : General Motors’ Debt. Ford isn't the Gov'ts b!tch in the automotive industry. Also, GM used TARP money to pay back the loan portion of their bailout. That's a fvcking joke, using money given to them by the Gov't, to pay back a loan. So, who looks like the better company here? I'll admit that I view Ford as a better company because I like Fords, but as an investment standpoint, Ford is better than GM. From an engineer's point a view, I'd also have to say that Ford is better than GM / Chevy. Too many times in the past couple of years have I seen, even driven, shit products from Chevy, which is the biggest arm of GM.

I dont mean to disrespect anyone with my opinions.... I only see this as constructive discussion. Cheers!

I don't mean to offend you either, but there are VERY good reasons why people are cutting down GM and Chevy. I like to discuss a topic with some spirit in it and I am a Mustang and Ford guy. So, I like to stampede the Camaro crowd. It's like a Lamborghini blowing by a Ferrari, you can bet there is gonna be some fun out of it.

Originally Posted by TheYoungConnoisseur

^Yeah but seriously, your not going to be getting any kind of shifting pleasure from it. Its gonna drive like an electric car. Leave it in 2nd and 3rd gear ALL day long.

All you want out of a car is shifting pleasure? What about gobs of torque that can't be matched?

i dont know who wrote that it has 4 speeds, because it has 6...

Originally Posted by TheYoungConnoisseur

So its a 4 speed huh?...
Might as well be if they put retarded gearing in it to do 140 in 3rd.


For the money it doesn't seem to be a very good deal compared to the zr1 or zl1

There is a 6 speed Tremec in it. IDK where you got 4 speeds. Isn't a good deal compared to a ZR1? WTF are you smoking? The ZR1 costs over $100K and is a completely different vehicle, that's apples to oranges. As for the ZL1, Motor Trend is going to be doing an article on the '13 GT500 and the '12 or '13 ZL1, I expect it should be happening soon. Until a proper review of both cars are done, any opinions on GT500 or ZL1 are just that, opinions. MT's article will end the debate about which car is better at performance.

Originally Posted by FastFords

There is a 6 speed Tremec in it. IDK where you got 4 speeds. Isn't a good deal compared to a ZR1? WTF are you smoking? The ZR1 costs over $100K and is a completely different vehicle, that's apples to oranges. As for the ZL1, Motor Trend is going to be doing an article on the '13 GT500 and the '12 or '13 ZL1, I expect it should be happening soon. Until a proper review of both cars are done, any opinions on GT500 or ZL1 are just that, opinions. MT's article will end the debate about which car is better at performance.

I eagerly await that issue to hit my mailbox....

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